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« : 11.11.2012, 10:17:43 am »

Я не знаю, как выполнить посадку на лес, сохранив жизни. В РЛЭ и инструкциях ничего конкретно не говорится. Может кто-то сделал это. Может кто-то разработал теорию. Не надеюсь, что поделитесь. Но пусть тема висит для будущих практических случаев и теоритических разработок.
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« Ответ #1 : 11.11.2012, 12:19:08 pm »

John Roderick crashed a quarter-mile west of Water Oak Road in Flagler County around 3 p.m. Wednesday in his experimental biplane, the report said. He was able to walk away from the crash unharmed.

    The plane landed in the tree tops of an area surrounded by young pine trees, the report said.


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« Ответ #2 : 11.11.2012, 12:43:28 pm »

LIBERTY, SC (FOX Carolina) -

A plane crash-landed into trees near McClanahan Road in Liberty on Sunday afternoon, sending two people to the hospital.

Monday afternoon, cleanup crews drained the fuel from the plane, but Pickens County Emergency Management officials expect the plane to be removed from the trees on Tuesday.

Pickens EMS said the plane had four passengers and was headed from Kennesaw, GA, to Piedmont Triad International Airport in Greensboro, NC, when they reported problems by cell phone to authorities.

Officials said the pilot was trying to make an emergency landing at the Pickens County Airport when the plane went down about 5 p.m.

The plane's parachute deployed, guiding it into the trees, officials said. We're told two of the four people on board were taken to the hospital and two refused treatment.


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« Ответ #3 : 11.11.2012, 13:06:42 pm »

National Transportation Safety Board released its preliminary report regarding last week’s plane crash in Western Watauga.
The report stated the pilot, Capt. Maxwell Dares, left Mountain City on his way to Asheville, and was flying a Piel Emeraude CP-305, an experimental amateur-built craft.
The report stated, “According to the pilot, he was navigating along a river when he encountered a 90-degree bend. He decided to climb the airplane over a mountain rather than continue to follow the river, as it provided a more direct course to his destination. As the airplane began to climb, the pilot noted trees, but the airplane descended, and made a “controlled crash” into the trees.” Pilot Deftly Maneuvers Crashing Plane in Western Watauga Woods, ‘Either He’s Very Lucky or Very Smart’
Update: The Canadian pilot is Capt. Maxwell Douglas Dares, an exchange pilot with the Canadian Air Force flying C-130s out of Cherry Point with the 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing. He was flying his own plane for recreation travelling from Ashe County to Asheville.

By Jesse Wood

July 7, 2012. The scene of the last night’s plane crash in Western Watauga looked like a setting in a fiction novel: in seemingly the middle of nowhere in Appalachia, surrounded by trees, rock outcroppings and a steep landscape, was the wreckage of a small yellow plane, the tail sticking 20 feet in in the air and the nose stuck in the ground.
Scattered wreckage, snapped trees and the pilots’ personal belongings littered the site of the crash – which happened Friday evening at about 6:30 p.m. and 100 yards from John Ferguson’s home atop Lovie Presnell Road, which is a steep, windy gravel road off of Spice Creek Road in the Shawneehaw Fire District.
Ferguson called 911 after he heard the plane’s engine “boom” and then a “crack,” the snapping of a tree. The pilot, the lone person on board, left the scene on a stretcher but otherwise was OK, sustaining only minor injuries. Ferguson said the pilot was a “little vauge” as to what happened just before the crash – apparently because he took a “little bump to the head.”
“Either he was very lucky or very smart,” Ferguson said.
The nose of the aircraft struck the top of a 30-foot buckeye tree – ensuring a soft-as-possible landing. The tree, which never completely snapped in two, split about 9 feet from the base of the tree. In another possibly life-saving maneuver, the pilot emptied out all of his fuel before he went down, ensuring that a explosion didn’t occur.

The buckeye tree that the pilot crashed into that softened the landing. Photo by Jesse Wood

According to the State Highway Patrol, which investigates plane crashes, the Canadian pilot is Capt. Maxwell Douglas Dares, 30. He is a member of the Canadian Air Force and an exchange pilot flying C-130s out of Cherry Point with the 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing. He resides in Beaufort and was flying his own plane. A sticker on the tail of the plane said, “Fly Marine – The Best Always Have.”
Max took off from Ashe County and was heading towards Asheville, according to the State Highway Patrol. He was looking to land at the next airport for the night, which would have been near Elk River.
The plane was a single-person capacity, fixed-wing aircraft, known as an Ultralight. Those kinds of plane are known for their susceptibility to turbulence caused by stormy weather, which the High Country did experience yesterday evening, though the official cause is still unknown.
Inside the cockpit on the control panels was a small plaque that stated, “Experimental – Amateur Built Craft.”

The tree split about nine feet from the base of the 30-foot buckeye tree that the pilot crashed into. Jim Peters, a spokesperson from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) said the aircraft was registered in Canada. Peters added that the agency doesn’t ordinarily investigate plane crashes involving Ultralights, which don’t have to meet the standards of aircraft.
A closer view of the cockpit and plane that crashed Friday evening.
Responding to the scene yesterday evening were a slue of emergency vehicles, including Watauga County Sheriff’s Office, Shawneehaw Volunteer Fire Department, Watauga Rescue and Watauga Medics and other squads.

The tail of the plane - notice the Marine sticker.
Around the crash site were parts of the plane, which remained for the most part in tact, a pair of jeans, plastic oil bottles, a flashlight, a Brisk soda can, green rope, headphones and a fire extinguisher.
Peters said that a local investigation will ensue. Since the plane was registered in Canada, the FAA will prepare a preliminary report and send it to the Canadian Aviation Authority in Ottawa.
 This afternoon, Max, who walking with a slight limp, brought a U-Haul to the site of the crash and hauled the wreckage away.


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« Ответ #4 : 11.11.2012, 13:12:27 pm »

Piper PA-32-300 Cherokee Six, N1127X: Aircraft on landing went off the runway into the trees, Elkader, Iowa
NTSB Identification: CEN12LA441
 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Saturday, July 14, 2012 in Elkader, IA
Aircraft: PIPER PA-32-300, registration: N1127X
Injuries: 1 Serious,1 Minor.

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.

On July 14, 2012, about 1030 central daylight time, a Piper model PA-32-300 airplane, N1127X, was substantially damaged while landing at the Elkader Airport (I27) near Elkader, Iowa. The private pilot sustained minor injuries. The passenger sustained serious injuries. The airplane was registered to and operated by Wild River Flying Club under the provisions of 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91 without a flight plan. Day instrument meteorological conditions prevailed at the time of the accident. The cross-country flight originated from L.O. Simenstad Municipal Airport (KOEO), Osceola, Wisconsin, at an unconfirmed time.

Witnesses located at I27 reported that the airplane first overflew runway 17 (1,705 feet by 75 feet, grass) at approximately 1020. The witnesses reported that there was heavy rain and lightning at the time. About 10 minutes later the witnesses heard the airplane attempting to land on runway 17 for a second time. After the second landing attempt, the witnesses were unable to locate the airplane as they drove the length of the runway. The airplane was subsequently located in a 100-foot deep wooded ravine located off the departure end of runway 17.

Based on the available weather radar data and the witness observations at the time the accident, localized instrument flight rule (IFR) conditions existed due to thunderstorms and heavy rain at the time of the accident.

The closest weather observing station was at Prairie du Chien Municipal Airport (KPDC), located about 15 miles northeast of the accident site. At 1035, the KPDC automated surface observing system reported the following weather conditions: wind 130 degrees at 7 knots; visibility 3 miles with light rain; scattered clouds at 1,100 feet above ground level (agl), a broken ceiling at 3,800 feet agl, and a overcast ceiling at 4,900 feet agl; temperature 20 degrees Celsius; dew point 20 degrees Celsius; altimeter setting 30.04 inches of mercury.

The Clayton County Sheriff’s Department on Tuesday released the names of people injured July 14 in a plane crash at the Elkader Municipal Airport.

Pilot Arthur D. Beaupre, 58, and passenger Thora G. Fisko, 54, both of St. Croix Falls, Wis., were injured and transported to a hospital by helicopter. Clayton County Chief Deputy Ryan Johnson Beaupre suffered a broken ankle and it was believed that Fisko dislocated her shoulder.


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« Ответ #5 : 11.11.2012, 15:18:26 pm »

Верхушки деревьев принимать за поверхность земли и перед их касанием подвесить самолёт на максимально возможных углах атаки, выключить пож. кран (подачи топлива) и привести в действие систему пожаротушения, при её наличии. Привязные ремни застопорить (максимально затянуть)...
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« Ответ #6 : 11.11.2012, 15:53:14 pm »

Относительно посадки на деревья мне известны два случая(без фамилий).
Посадка планера БЛАНИК в Гостомеле на дерево торчащее на аеродроме, пилот и планер абсолютно целые,Ан-124 нештатная посадка -мягко говоря неудачно,но эти садились без всяких методик.
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« Ответ #7 : 11.11.2012, 16:41:03 pm »

Не поленитесь прочесть!

If you fly long enough and often enough, sooner or later you'll face the prospect of having to put an airplane on the deck in a hurry. If you're lucky, it'll be due to just a sick passenger or maybe a rough engine. But it could just as well be a full-up-oil-on-the-windshield forced landing.
In the latter, you're confronted with the sudden and unavoidable question of where to put the thing down. Is a road the best choice? An open plowed field? Settling into a dense pine forest? A nice lake, near the shore?
Until recently, we thought we knew the answer: the water is by far the most survivable surface upon which to alight in an emergency. We said as much at an FAA accident prevention seminar we were  asked to give by Bob Martens, the aviation safety counselor at the nearby Bradley FSDO. We had just completed extensive research on how aircraft fare during ditchings in water and concluded that the odds of survival during a ditching were greater than 90 percent, thus water was a better choice than trees for a power-out landing.
Not so fast, Martens said. As the occasional accident duty guy in heavily forested New England, he had seen plenty of airplanes go into the trees and his gut feel was that the majority of occupants walk away or at least survive.
Good point. We agreed to sweep through the accident database for another look. One thing's for sure: there are plenty of forced landings to pick from, most of them the depressing result of fuel exhaustion. It's not hard to find between 300 and 400 a year.
Crash or Forced Landing?
As with analyzing ditching accidents, you have to draw a distinction between a ditching and a crash in the water and a forced landing and a crash on land. From the NTSB's summaries, it's occasionally impossible to tell which is which. Some reading between the lines is necessary.
For our purposes, a ditching – and for that matter, a forced landing – means that there's strong evidence to suggest that the pilot attempted to touch down under control and that the aircraft didn't impact out of control at high speed. But there are degrees of control and lack thereof. The accident record shows that in many forced landings, pilots set up an approach that's too fast, too high and to a poorly chosen surface. They hit hard, bounce and roll over.
There's obviously some control being exercised, but no one would mistake the results for a spot-landing contest. Some forced landings seem to begin auspiciously, evolve into a hard landing then degrade into what the casual observer would certainly regard as a crash.
Another difficulty in this analysis is the dead-men-tell-no-tales syndrome. When the accident proves fatal for all occupants, there may not be anyone to offer an eyewitness account of what actually happened. Ground witnesses, if there were any, are often unqualified or unable to judge what they've seen. In some cases, this information can be gleaned from radio transmissions and witnesses, but not always.
With these caveats in mind, the data we have available to review is obviously flawed and thus we can draw only the broadest conclusions from analyzing it. In other words, our findings can't be considered airtight by any means.
We reviewed some 179 ditching accidents over an eight-year period and 216 forced landing incidents that occurred from 1995 to 1998. There's no magic to those years; we picked them at random.
Going Swimming
As we reported in the October 1999 issue of Aviation Safety (prepublished here), the survival rate in light aircraft ditching incidents is quite high, suggesting that when there's a choice, a body of water is a safe place to get out of an airplane.
That said, there are far fewer ditchings than forced landings on terra firma. Our review of accident stats reveals about 20 recorded ditchings in U.S. waters each year, compared to between 300 and 500 genuine forced or precautionary landings on land.
Our review of the records found 179 ditchings over the period we examined. Of that total, only 22, or 12 percent, involved fatalities.
But that figure needs clarification.
One of the distinctions between ditchings and forced landings is that the former may be more likely to require survival equipment than the latter. If the equipment isn't aboard, a successful ditching in which the occupants all exit the aircraft can turn into fatalities if any or all die of exposure or drowning.
While it's true that a forced landing in a remote area can have the same consequences, the accident record doesn't reveal many of those. In most forced landings, emergency personnel are on the scene quickly, even in remote areas.
To understand ditching survival odds, knowing the egress rate is important. In other words, how often do the occupants get out unscathed after a ditching? It turns out to be about 92 percent. That means that more than nine out of 10 people get out of ditched aircraft without significant problems.
Pilots worry about such things as sinking to the bottom before the doors can be opened or flipping over and becoming too disoriented to get out. Yet these things don't seem to happen much.
Ditching survivors often can't recall if the airplane flipped on impact but even it does, the high egress rate speaks for itself. Whether upright or inverted, pilots and passengers somehow manage to get out of their airplanes.
Where you ditch matters, too. Survival rates for ocean areas are lower than for lakes and rivers. In blue water ocean, for example, the survival rate is 82 percent, versus 93 percent for rivers.
How About Land?
So much for the water. How do pilots fare when the only choice is rough terrain, trees or other airplane inhospitable surfaces? In a nutshell, about the same or a bit better, although the prospect of injury is somewhat higher. First, some comments on the data and the basis of comparison.
Working through the NTSB database, the only forced landings likely to be reported are those that result in accidents, and we're quite certain that not all of them make it into the database, either. We're confident that most do but know enough of how this system works to have few illusions about either its completeness or accuracy. That said, comparing known reported forced landings on water against those that occur on land is still an apples-to-apples comparison.
We can't comment on accident rates, of course, but we can compare the aftermath. We examined 216 dry-land forced landing accidents that occurred in 1995, 1997 and 1998. These were picked at random from the NTSB files. The results of this search proved interesting.
First, the percentage of these accidents that resulted in fatalities was an encouragingly low 3 percent, meaning the survival rate for forced landings in all kinds of terrain where an accident occurs is 97 percent overall, or a bit better than it is for landings in water.
Further, even in cases where there were fatalities, in many cases, some occupants in these aircraft survived the forced landing gone bad.
When you consider injuries sustained by pilots and passengers during forced landings, the picture isn't quite so rosy. In 16 percent of the 216 accidents studied, pilots and/or pax suffered serious injuries. In 20 percent of the cases, minor injuries were reported.
In water landings, only 10 percent received serious injuries but 33 percent reported minor injuries. The typical “minor” injury in a ditching accident is a bumped head from impact or abrasions during a hurried exit.
The picture is grimmer if you consider the type of surface or terrain in which the forced landing is attempted. When trees are the touchdown area, serious injuries occur about 35 percent of the time while injuries of some kind happen about 60 percent of the time.
If this record is at all accurate, mushing one into the trees means your chances of suffering an injury of some kind are about even. In other words, the odds of the tree landing hurting a little are greater than if you had gone into the water.
However, the good news is that your chances of coming out of the controlled crash alive are quite good. In fact, they're the same as surviving a ditching. Only 6 percent of the tree landings we reviewed resulted in fatalities.
Logically, pilots and pax should expect to do better when the airplane is landed in open fields or in fields obstructed with minor obstacles. And that appears to indeed be the case. When an open field is the landing area, the serious injury rate drops to 14 percent, while the overall injury rate is about 35 percent. Those are better odds than going into the trees. Out of 65 accidents in which the airplane was landed in what was described as an open field, we could find only one fatality.
Again, worth noting is that what the NTSB describes as an attempted forced landing may in fact have been an out-of-control crash. Sometimes, there's simply not enough information in the reports to split these kinds of hairs.
Roads are another popular forced landing site. When an accident occurs, pilots and pax fare a little worse on roads than in open fields, with serious injuries occurring 40 percent of the time and minor injuries about 22 percent of the time. We found no fatalities in some 27 attempted forced landings on roads.
Conclusions
Clearly, our FAA friend was correct. The fatal accident rate for tree landings is essentially the same as for water. The analysis suggests that either kind of landing, if done correctly and under control, puts your chances of surviving at nine out of 10. But that doesn't mean you'll necessarily walk – or swim – away.
The chances of sustaining an injury of any kind are somewhat higher when you go into the trees than when you ditch in the water and the chances of a serious injury are quite a bit higher in the trees. This seems logical and the data we assembled – however flawed – seems to bear out the theory.
So when there's no open field available and the choice is either trees or water, the choice isn't the lead pipe cinch we once thought it was. The overall survival rate between the two appears to be about the same, but the injury rate is higher if you go for the trees.
One thing is relatively certain: Whichever you pick, the airplane will probably be a write off, so trying to save or minimize damage shouldn't figure into your decision. In fact, whenever you're confronted with any emergency in which survival is at question, the airplane should be considered nothing but an expendable collection of aluminum, steel, rubber and fluids.
That's the way the insurance company will look at it, and that's why you pay them that hefty annual premium.
Speed Kills (At Least It Hurts)
One question we can't answer is how many forced landings happen with no damage to the airplane and no injuries. We would guess quite a few but there's no reliable data on this.
But we can say why many of them go bad: speed, usually. Too much of it. You can't blame a pilot under duress for getting a little over-amped and flying an approach that's too fast. On the other hand, we are talking survival here and an accurate touchdown at the slowest possible speed may be the difference between life and death or walking away or being carried away from the wreckage.
Interestingly, among the 216 accidents we examined, only two involved stalls or mushes but many – dozens, in fact – involved too-fast touchdowns in which the aircraft bounced and slithered its way across a too-short landing area only to pile up in the rocks and trees at one end.
In fully 44 percent of the open-field landings, the aircraft nosed over and came to rest inverted. A fair number of these occurred in snowy fields or soft, plowed surfaces which tend to snag the gear.
Nonetheless, it's also true that if the touchdown is slow enough, they're less likely to happen or, if they do happen, the speeds will be slow enough to cause less injury.
Speaking of speed, the less you have of it, the better. This is especially true of tree landings where control is minimal or non-existent once the branches start slapping the wings and fuselage.
The accompanying graphic shows how touchdown groundspeed affects the dissipation of crash energy (click on graphic for larger image). Note that energy increases in proportion to the square of the speed, it is not a straightline relationship. The slower you can go and still maintain control, the less it'll hurt when you sink into the trees.
The best way to become proficient at accurate, slow touchdowns is to practice emergency landings regularly with an emphasis on flying them as slowly as possible and definitely more slowly than you fly your standard approach.
Furthermore, you probably fly your standard approach too fast, too.
Every normal landing is an opportunity to learn the art of the slow, precise power-off approaches that are a must for survivable forced landings in less-than-ideal areas.
Then, of course, there's the issue of avoiding what caused the forced landing in the first place. Sad to say, most are the result of fuel exhaustion, not mechanical failures. More than a handful are caused by carb icing which, of course, melts when the airplane lands, removing all the evidence. (“I swear it … the engine quit … I swear it did!”)
On the issue of fuel exhaustion, we have written numerous articles on this subject and tried to jolly the pilot community along with human factors psychobabble and warm entreaties that aircraft fuel gauges really are defective. Enough of that. Absent a leak or other mechanical fault, if you run an airplane out of gas, you are an idiot and you deserve what befalls you. With any luck, both you and your passengers will survive.
Slower is better, especially when it comes to forced landings. As the top graph shows, reducing from best glide speed to minimum sink speed substantially cuts the amount of energy the airplane brings to the ground. The bottom graph shows that sink rate is more at best glide speed than at minimum sink speed. For most airplanes, minimum sink speed is just about the glide speed with full nose-up trim, further reducing workload at a crucial time.

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« Ответ #8 : 11.11.2012, 22:13:15 pm »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/yDu0jYiz-v8&amp;ap=%2526fmt%3D18&amp;rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/yDu0jYiz-v8&amp;ap=%2526fmt%3D18&amp;rel=0</a>
 
наверно все видели как они на лес упали.
Ну тут на лицо ошибка КВС, взлет с высокогорного аэродрома с перегрузом.
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« Ответ #9 : 11.11.2012, 22:21:53 pm »

Не поленился. Спасибо.
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« Ответ #10 : 11.11.2012, 23:52:16 pm »

уметь бы еще читать ....
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« Ответ #11 : 12.11.2012, 00:53:17 am »

видео в посте "Ответ #8" видел и всегда был вопрос на первых секундах


плечевые ремни есть там или никто даже не пыталси пристегнуться перед взлётом??
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« Ответ #12 : 12.11.2012, 07:40:54 am »

По-моему там только поясной ремень.
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« Ответ #13 : 12.11.2012, 11:05:48 am »

уметь бы еще читать ....
Смысл такой, что посадка на лес, как и на воду, - это более чем 90% оставшихся в живых, просто сложности разные. При посадке да воду, минимальна опасность возгорания, и сама посадка мягче, что и дает возможность остаться при сознании и покинуть ВС после приземления (пардон приводнения). А при посадке на лес, больше проблем с травмами, но в целом все не так и плохо.
Но тут возникает резонный вопрос - почему их статистика, крепко отличается от нашей?
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« Ответ #14 : 12.11.2012, 11:32:34 am »

В особых случаях, кроме того что верхушки деревьев принимать за поверхность земли, еще есть фраза что выбирать (по возможности) нужно места в лесу с более густой растительностью. Намного хуже садится  на полянки-вырубки, где остались пни.
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